Malala Yousafzai on redefining resilience and prioritizing joy

It would be easy for people to assume that you're spending all your time just trying to save the world. And I think one of the things you've done for a lot of people is you've role modeled it's actually okay to take risks and try things that might be frivolous. Yeah, I mean, I do want to clarify, I'm not recommending everybody climbs a rooftop. Like that's not the point. Imagine like, oh, Malala inspired me doing what?

Study? No, climb rooftop. Hey everyone, it's Adam Grant. Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast with Ted on the science of what makes us tick. I'm an organizational psychologist, and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.

My guest today is Malala, activist for girls' education and women's empowerment, and then youngest Nobel Peace laureate in history. I've known her for over a decade, so I wanted to bring you a more personal look at how her life has evolved. Malala became a public figure when she was still a child, and her new book, Finding My Way, is her effort to take control of her own story again. We talk about how she navigated sudden fame so young, why she changed her mind about marriage, her struggles with saying no, and her thoughts on a shared interest of ours.

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