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Behavioral Grooves Podcast · 2025-11-24 · 68 min · 12,091 words

The Leadership Wake-Up Call | Margaret Andrews

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Hey groovers, welcome back to Behavioral Grooves. I'm Kurt Nelson and along with my co-host Tim Houlihan, who is sitting here in our virtual world headquarters, yeah, say hi. Hi, hi virtually. Yeah, there we go. You know, one reason that we love to do this podcast is because we love exploring the intersection of behavioral science.

and real-world leadership. We we sure do, Kurt. And today's guest brings both academic rigor and real life experience to that intersection. We're talking with Margaret Andrews, an instructor at Harvard University and author of Manage Yourself to Lead Others. It's a book that challenges a very old assumption that leadership starts with leading others.

Yeah, exactly. And now Margaret flips that idea on its head. Yeah. She says leadership doesn't begin with managing others. No, it begins with managing yourself.

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