Stoicism, Democracy, and Personal Responsibility | Stacey Abrams

I first Intersected with today's guest. When she mentioned Stoicism In a very famous speech.

Let me play that for you real fast. And this struck me because It's different than my interpretation. Of stoicism, and and in fact, as I told her later, I I found that how she responded, the political organizing and democratic work she did after. Was to me the definition of soicism. I mean, she's the person who flipped the Senate in twenty twenty. She and I have become friends. I had her on the podcast before, it was remote. She's someone I very much admire and look up to. She was in town to do an event at the LBJ Presidential Library, where I believe she is on the board. And I asked her if she would come out and do the podcast and she did. We had a lovely discussion. I think you're really gonna like it. We're not getting into partisan politics here. What we are talking about is

sort of bedrock American values. Bedrock Western values. We're talking about how you effectuate political change, how you deal with setbacks, how you take accountability when you make mistakes. And I think this is gonna be a lovely conversation. We went over to the bookstore after and and talked about books for about thirty minutes. I'll bring that as a bonus episode. If you don't know who Stacey Abrams is, well, you should. She's a number one New York Times best selling author. She spent eleven years in the Georgia House of Representatives. In twenty eighteen, she was the Democratic nominee. For governor, there she won more votes than any democrat in the state's history. She was the first black woman to become a gubernatorial nominee for a major party in the United States, and then she was the first black woman and the first Georgian to deliver a response to the state of the union. And then in the wake of that election, which she lost, she launched a campaign for voting rights. And she has built a massive political machine that has activated hundreds of thousands of voters and shaped electoral politics here in the United States. She's also an entrepreneur. She wrote a great business book for Portfolio. We had the same editor, and then in addition to her children's books.

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