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The Gray Area with Sean Illing · 2026-05-15 · 47 min · 9,863 words

The college dream has failed

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Hogging seats on a crowded train, not saying excuse me, watching videos on your phone with no headphones in. Sometimes it feels like we don't know how to act anymore. What we have been seeing, increasingly, is people breaking rules. Why should I play by the rules if nobody else is going to do that for me? This week on Explain It to Me, how to mind your manners.

New episodes Sundays wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the gray area. I'm box reporter and producer Miles Bryan. I'm filling in for Sean today. My guest is New York Times labor reporter Noam Schreiber.

He's written a new book called Mutiny: The Rise and Revolt of the College Educated Working Class. In the book, Noam argues that over the last 20 years or so, college grads' prospects have fallen way short of what they were promised, and that's pushed them left on economics. I asked Noam to come on the show to talk about his book. What exactly are college graduates mutinying against? And how could an alliance between white-collar and blue-collar workers transform American politics?

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