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The Dissenter · 2026-06-01 · 124 min · 23,236 words

#1261 Neal Hebert & Jon Cogburn: Professional Wrestling, Donald Trump, and the New Cynicism

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Hello everyone, welcome to a new episode of The Decenter. I'm your host as always, Ricardo Lopez, and today I'm joined by Drs. Neil Herbert and John Cockburn. Dr. Herbert is assistant professor of theatre in the Department of Visual and Performing Arts at Grambling State University.

And Dr. Cogburn is professor of philosophy and department chair in the Department of Philosophy and Religious Studies at Louisiana State University. And today we're going to talk about their book, K Fabe Nation, Professional Wrestling, Donald Trump and the New Cynicism. So Dr. Herbert, Dr.

Cogburn, welcome to the show. It's a huge pleasure to have you one. Oh, there it is. book K Fabe Nation in reverse, sadly, but by the way, is that Steve Austin on the cover? Yes.

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