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The Michael Shermer Show · 2025-05-24 · 83 min · 14,966 words

Believing Is Seeing: Inside the Modern Paranormal Movement

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You're listening to The Michael Shermer Show. All right, everybody, it's time for another episode of the Michael Shermer Show. I'm your host, Michael Shermer, as you know. I have a special guest today. We're talking about my favorite subject.

What is my favorite subject? The paranormal, the supernatural. My guest uh is the author of this book, The Ghost Lab. You can see why uh when his publicist contacted me, I said, yeah, I gotta get this guy on. How Bigfoot hunters, mediums, and alien enthusiasts are wrecking science.

Okay, so you can tell he's not a supernatural believer, paranormal believer. He is Matthew Hongoldt Hetling, a freelance journalist specializing in narrative features. and investigative reporting. He's been named a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize, won a George Polk Award, and been voted Journalist of the Year by the Maine Press Association, among other honors. His work has appeared in Foreign Policy, USA Today, Popular Science, Atavist magazine, Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting, the Associated Press, and elsewhere.

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