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Entrepreneurs on Fire · 2026-10-06 · 27 min · 4,601 words

You Can't Optimize Your Way Out of Grief with Phil Cohen

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Light that Sparkfire Nation, JLD here, and welcome to Entrepreneurs on Fire, brought to you by High Level, the All-in-One Sales and Marketing Platform, and today we'll be breaking down how we can't optimize your way out of grief. To drop these vibe bombs, I brought Phil Cohen into EO Fire Studios. Phil is the Grief Guy, a tech speaker and grief coach, helping high performers rebuild identity, leadership, and purpose after a devastating loss without pretending they're fine. So we talk about the success myth, grief in high performers, when loss changes everything, the cost of pushing through. Rebuilding without letting go and owe so much more. And a big thank you for sponsoring today's episode goes to Phil and our sp Sponsors. Stop duct taping your business together. Highlevel runs your website, your funnels, email, automation, scheduling, payments, and memberships all in one place. And when you sign up at highlevelfire.com, you get a 30-day free trial, plus my exclusive bonus stack that includes weekly office hours with me and much more. Visit highlevelfire.com.

level fire dacom Phil, say what's up to Fire Nation and share something that you believe about becoming successful that most people disagree with. Fire Nation, it is such an honor to be here. I've been a long time listener to the show and John I have uh I've heard you ask this question probably, I don't even know, countless times. And I've always wondered what I'd say, you know, sitting sitting in this seat and I never I never expected my answer to be The one I'm about to give you.

I believe success is A functioning tool. Um not A healing tool. And most of the successful entrepreneurs that I work with have these two very confused. I it was a

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