What it actually takes to build frontier models | Tulsee Doshi (Head of Product for Gemini)

The model isn't predictable. It's kind of like Snape's potions class. You can put all the ingredients in, but you also have to expect that there will be a little bit of magic. And that magic is going to be surprising. As you're hiring PMs these days, is there anything you look for more and more? You're looking for PMs who understand the vibes of our models or other models. I want PMs who have an opinion, who are playing with these models every day. You ideally want to stress test the model on things that you Are excited about people feel that Google lags behind the top two labs right now. I actually think we do want to win the frontier. Conversation. I don't think we should say that Google is not participating in the frontier. You have this framework around how far ahead to build. You call it a sixty twenty twenty rule. Traditional startup wisdom. You're just like build an M VP that works. But I think you want to actually build features that aren't necessarily always working today. It feels like every AI assistant launching these days. is taking all this juicy Google data, my Gmail, dual calendar, my docs. I'm curious just why Google hasn't launched something awesome yet. The team is working on some amazing things, but I think you are right that there is more work we need to do here on this one.

Tulsi, thank you so much. for being here and welcome to the podcast. Thanks. I'm excited to be here. You are head of product for Google's frontier models. Which includes Gemini, which people know.

But there's also a bunch of other models that people may not be familiar with. Uh Share the other models that are under your umbrella. Yeah, so we have a set of models we kind of call our Gen Media models. These are our models that focus on video uh editing and generation, image editing and generation if you've used Nano Banana.

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