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Intelligence Squared · 2025-08-17 · 39 min · 6,703 words

How can we win the battle against antibiotic resistance? With Liam Shaw

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Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet. I'm producer Mia Sorenti. We live in an age when antibiotics are taken for granted, and diseases that were once a death sentence are now routinely cured. But like fossil fuels, antibiotics are a finite resource which we've regarded as a cheap, everlasting fuel. The threat of resistance looms large, so how can we adapt to avoid catastrophe?

In today's episode, author of Dangerous Miracle, Liam Shaw, joins host Caroline Dodds-Pennock to discuss the epic narrative of the discovery of antibiotics, how we burned through them, and what the future might hold. Let's join Caroline now with more. Welcome to Intelligence Squared. I'm Caroline Dodds-Pennock, and our guest today is Liam Shaw. Liam is a biologist researching the evolution and spread of antibiotic resistance.

For the past four years, he's been a welcome-funded research fellow at the University of Oxford, and he's also currently an honorary research fellow at the University of Bristol. Liam's writing has appeared in the London Review of Books, Morningstar and Private Eye, and today we'll be discussing his new book, Dangerous Miracle, a natural history of antibiotics and how we burned through them. I was delighted to be able to read a preview copy of this. Welcome to Intelligence Squared, Liam. Thanks.

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