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The Gray Area with Sean Illing · 2026-11-13 · 43 min · 6,828 words

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The people building AI believe will up-end the global balance of power. Are they right? I think people need to be aware of the risk of concentration of power if only one person or one company or even one executive gets to control this huge army of superintelligences. I'm John Finer of The Long Game, a weekly national security podcast I co-host with my friend and colleague Jake Sullivan. This week, we speak with Dorkesh Patel, the go-to interviewer for Tech's most powerful people. The episode is out now.

Search for and follow the long game wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the gray area. I'm Miles Bryan sitting in for Sean today. My guest is Jessica Lucas. She's an internet culture reporter who just published a fascinating and horrifying article about older folks growing addicted to AI slop on their phone.

We talked about how older people's phone addiction is different than constantly watching TV. and whether their kids have the ethical right to intervene. It's a wild interview. Jessica Lucas, welcome to the gray area. Hey, thank you for having me. Yeah.

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