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EconTalk · 2026-09-07 · 66 min · 11,920 words

Meritocracy, Exams, and the Knowledge That Matters (with Daisy Christodoulou)

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Welcome to Econ Talk, Conversations for the Curious, part of the Library of Economics and Liberty. I'm your host, Russ Roberts of Shalem College in Jerusalem, and Stanford University's Hoover Institution. Go to econal.org where you can subscribe, comment on this episode, and find links and other information related to today's conversation. You'll also find our archives with every episode we've done going back to 2006. Our email address is mail at econalk.org. We'd love to hear from you. Today is July twenty first, twenty twenty six, and my guest is Daisy Christadulu. Daisy is the director of education. at no more marking a provider of valuation software for schools.

She was last year in March of twenty twenty five talking about education and feedback. Daisy, welcome back to Econ Talk. Great to be here, Ross. Now our topic for today is the intersection between meritocracy, education, Governance.

But we're gonna go back in time. And look at some crazy historical moments. in civil service history are we're gonna start with a failed Chinese civil servant exam taker Hong Xiu Shun.

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