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The Michael Shermer Show · 2025-05-20 · 93 min · 19,636 words

Inside the CIA's Mind Control Experiments

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You're listening to The Michael Shermer Show. Hey everybody, it's Michael Shermer. It's time for another episode of the Michael Shermer Show. Man, have I got a special one for you today? Spies!

This is like the James Bond kind of secret uh project. Mind control, Sydney Gottlieb. The CIA and the tragedy of MK Ultra. Here it is. We've been hearing all about this with the recent uh Trump release of the final JFK files.

There was nothing in there about the CIA assassinating the president, but there was a lot of interesting stuff about what the CIA was doing in foreign countries. My guest is uh John Lyle, he's a historian of science. in the American intelligence community. He earned a PhD in history from the University of Texas and has taught courses on U.S. history, cyberspace, and information warfare at the University of Texas, Louisiana Tech University, and Austin Community College.

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