"Human Minds Are Stupid!" (with Rich Roll)

This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Pushkin. Hey Happiness Lab listeners. While we're hard at work prepping our next season on some of the must-read psychology books of 2025, I thought you might appreciate hearing some of the fun conversations I get to have with smart folks.

Outside of this show. And one of my recent favorites was the chat I had on the Rich Roll podcast. Rich Roll is an incredibly cool guy. He's gotten to chat with an amazing array of people on his show, from doctors to scientists to sports stars to explorers. My conversation with Rich covered a lot of ground, and get ready because this episode does last a couple hours, and I don't think we left any happiness stone on.

If you enjoy what you hear, you should check out Rich's other interviews on the Rich Roll podcast. You can download it wherever you get your shows. We as a species have always been obsessed with happiness. The cultur apparatus that we surround ourselves with is telling us all the wrong things to do, right? Go for money, go for status, just buy something, change your circumstances, you'll feel happier.

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