Shadi Hamid and Matthew Kaemingk on Whether Democracy Needs Religion

As politics becomes more secular. it is actually becoming more religious it's it's it's having a sense of holy war to And now the good fight. With Yasha Monk I'm not a religious person, and I did not uh grow up.

religious. Um and so when I was Young, I certainly thought that religion was mostly A force for ill in the world that it had helped to cause uh wars and

uh deep conflict and that if only everybody could at least chill under religion and perhaps these being religious we would all get along much much better, in other words, I would have been a great reader of the four horsemen of Atheism in the two thousands. But I have gotten A little bit. more skeptical about that point of view. As you may know, uh if you've listened to my uh really fun debate with uh Sam Harris a number of years.

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