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Intelligence Squared · 2026-07-25 · 39 min · 6,326 words

Should We Stop Catastrophising About AI? With Eleanor Drage and Carl Miller

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Welcome to Intelligence Squared where great minds meet. I'm senior producer Mir Sorrenti. We are deeply confused about artificial intelligence, what it is, who it serves, and whether it leads us towards utopia or catastrophe. But according to AI ethicist Eleanor Drage, these dramatic tech narratives often distract us from the urgent problems already embedded in the technology.

On today's episode, Jage joins researcher and author Carl Miller to explore the culture and ideas driving the AI arms race. From billionaires seeking to overcome death to biased policing algorithms and the growing influence of big tech over governments, they examine the forces shaping artificial intelligence and ask who stands to benefit. Let's join Carl now with more. Well welcome everyone to Intelligence I'm Carl Miller and our guest today is Eleanor Drage.

She's a senior research fellow at the Leverheume Centre for the Future of Intelligence at Cambridge, host of the Good Robot podcast, author of several books, and now another one, the one we're talking about today, What If We Got AI Right, How to Stop Catastrophizing and Build an Ethical Future. Very warm welcome to you, Eleanor. Thanks so much for having me. All right. So it's it's 2030, Eleanor.

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