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Sinica Podcast · 2025-01-19 · 64 min · 12,090 words

Xiaohongshu's "TikTok Refugees," with Ivy Yang and David Fishman

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Welcome to the Cineca Podcast, the weekly discussion of current affairs in China. In this program, we'll look at books, ideas, new research, intellectual currents, and cultural trends that can help us better understand what's happening in China's politics, foreign relations, economics, and society. Join me each week for in-depth conversations that shed more light, and bring less heat to how we think and talk about China. I'm Kaiser Gua coming to you from Davos, Switzerland, on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum.

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studying China in the absence of access, which will run across the next few months. I was originally going to skip putting out the regular podcast this week as I'm about to start my work that I do each year at the World Economic Forum, but the stranger than fiction mass migration of mostly American TikTok users to Chinese app Xiahongshu is just a topic that demands an episode, so even though I had to put this together in a hurry, I lucked out by getting well, the two individuals who would have been my top picks to talk about what we're going to talk about anyway. So I am mighty pleased about this. It today is Sunday afternoon, uh, here in in Switzerland, January 19th,

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