How leaders build a collective identity with Vanessa Beasley

I don't think we have a learning how to speak problem. I think everybody and their brother has a way to speak in a podcast and you know I think we have a learning how to listen problem. Hey everyone, it's Adam Grant. Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast with Ted on the science of what makes us tick. I'm an organizational psychologist and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people.

to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking. Vanessa Beasley is the president of Trinity University in San Antonio, Texas. He's also an expert on presidential rhetoric in the US. And across her career, she's explored the relationship between mass media, the presidency, and American identity. Vanessa shared her research in her seminal 2004 book, You the People.

And it's a topic that's only become more relevant in modern politics. When I look at presidential rhetoric, I tend to focus on the constitutive. Who are they telling us we are? And how do we believe there's a we in the first place? Vanessa and I also talk about how to reinvent liberal arts colleges in this changing era of higher ed. And how to become better listeners as well as speakers.

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