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The Next Big Idea · 2026-06-11 · 63 min · 10,775 words

The Case for AI Optimism with Peter Diamandis and Steven Kotler

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I'm Rufus Griskam. And I'm Caleb Bissinger. And this is the next big idea. Today, the case for AI optimism. We have an interesting guest today, don't we, Caleb?

We got a a guy who some would call the world's most impassioned AI optimist, you might even say utopian, Peter Diamandis. He's among other things the founder of the X Prize and the host of the Moonshots podcast. And he's joined by his longtime co-author, Stephen Cotler. They wrote the books Abundance, Bold, The Future is Faster Than You Think. And they've just released a brand new one.

It's called We Are as Gods, a survival guide for the Age of Abundance. And if Peter is the world's most impassioned AI optimist, Stephen, well, he's a little more of a skeptic. Yes, he is. There's a there's a discernible marital tension between Peter and Stephen, which adds a little frisant to this conversation. That is your favorite word, Rufus.

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