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Jocko Podcast · 2026-06-10 · 96 min · 17,717 words

544: How Good Men Lose Their Moral Compass

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This is Jocko podcast number 544 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. Now the last podcast we discussed, we were kind of discussing how people learn, and it was focused on sort of individual people learning skills. But while I was reading some background information about that, I found an interesting article about organizational learning that not only had some interesting information about learning, but

Being a learning organization, but also it it gave some really good knowledge about some of the psychological and emotional challenges that a military unit and thereby any team, maybe at a less extreme level, can face in stressful environments and also, you know, morally. ambiguous environments. So when you get into this, this is a article called Real, which is italicized, Real, Lessons Learned for Leaders After Years of War. And it's written by Lieutenant Colonel Joe Dotti, or Doty, who's a PhD, US Army, retired, and Master Sergeant Jeffrey E. Fenlison.

Or Fen Layson, US Army. So a couple guys uh put this together and they say this The past 10 years plus of war have provided numerous opportunities for the Army to capture lessons learned for future leader development, both officers and for both officers and NCOs. How many and which of these lessons the Army will translate into actual Content, curriculum, pedagogy in the army, schools or leader development programs is unknown. So we've gathered all this information.

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