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Intelligence Squared · 2025-02-23 · 40 min · 7,934 words

Chokepoints: Economic Warfare in the Modern World, with Edward Fishman

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Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet. I'm producer Mia Sarenti. Our guest today is Edward Fishman. one of the foremost experts on economic statecraft and sanctions. Fishman has worked in the US State Department, the Pentagon, and the Treasury Department, and he now works as a professor at Columbia University School of International and Public Affairs, and as a senior research scholar at the Center of Global Energy Policy.

His writing on global policy and economic strategy have been featured in outlets including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and Foreign Affairs. In his new book, Choke Points American Power in the Age of Economic Warfare, Fishman explores how economic tools like sanctions, trade restrictions, and financial levers have become the US's primary means of addressing international crises. Joining Fishman to discuss the book is Chris Miller, author of Chip Wall and Professor of International History at the Fletcher School at Tufts University. Welcome to Intelligence Squared. I'm Chris Miller.

And our guest today is Edward Fishman. Welcome. I need to intelligence square. Chris, thanks so much for having me on today. Excited for our conversation. Well, let's start with your background, because of course you're not just a scholar looking at these topics. You've also served as a practitioner in the US government as it

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