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EconTalk · 2026-01-12 · 65 min · 9,395 words

The Mattering Instinct (with Rebecca Newberger Goldstein)

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We'd love to hear from you. Today is December 3rd, 2025, and my guest is philosopher and author Rebecca Neuberger-Goldstein. Her latest book and the subject of today's episode is The Mattering Instinct. how our deepest longing drives us and divides us. Rebecca, welcome to Econ Talk.

It's a pleasure to be here. So what is the mattering instinct? What does that mean? Yes, so uh it is just longing to matter. Uh it is a longing uh that I think makes our

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