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Sounds True: Insights at the Edge · 2026-08-06 · 11 min · 1,691 words

Just One Question | Rev angel Kyodo williams: How Do We Find Joy In the Heart of Our Suffering?

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Hello and welcome to Just One Question from Insights at the Edge. I'm Chris Rock. And I'm Mallory Corbin. We're producers at the Sounds True Podcast Network. We work with Tammy on Insights at the Edge to bring you transformational ideas from with some teachers around the world. And every week on this show, we pull out some of the most inspiring, most transformational ideas from those hundreds of conversations, and we bring them to you in the form of one question and one answer. Thus the name Just One Question. We hope you enjoy. So Mallory, what do you have for us this week? This week I wanted to share a conversation with Tammy and Reverend Angel Kyoto Williams. She's a Buddhist teacher and an author who works a lot.

with what she calls radical dharma. It's a spiritual practice that doesn't shy away from suffering. It actually is focused on going directly into that suffering. Yeah. That reminds me of our episode with Zenju from a few weeks ago where she talked about embracing the darkness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Tammy asks here something that I think a lot of us wonder about. Reverend Angel has said that if we go deeply into our suffering, like right into the heart of it, we'll find our joy. And Tammy basically says, Wait.

Really? All you listeners know when J says wait. Really? Really? Really? That's my favorite. We've basically been taught to avoid our pain and and sort of package it away in a box and put it on the highest shelf in the closet. But what Reverend Angel is saying is that Part of finding joy and experienc is not ignoring that box, but actually

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