Debra Soh and Michael Shermer at FreedomFest 2025
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Hello, everybody. How we doing? Hang on one second here. All right. So time is uh tight. We have exactly 20 minutes, so Deborah Sowe and I are gonna give it to you as quickly as we can. My guest today is Dr. Deborah Sowe. She's a neuroscientist who specializes in human sexuality. As a journalist, she writes about sex, technology, health, and the politicization of science. You may have heard of that. Her writing has appeared in the Wall Street Journal, the Los Angeles Times, the Globe and Mail, and Harper's Magazine, among many others. She's appeared on the Joe Rogan experience, real time with Bill Maher. The Daily Wire's What is a Woman. Remember that film, What is a Woman? She's the only one who got the answer correct.
She's also been on uh Dr. Phil, the Megan Kelly Show, the Michael Shermer Show. Oh my god, that's me. Okay, thank you. And uh her first book was The End of Gender. uh of which she has spoken about at the Oxford Union and has been translated into six languages. Deborah, nice to see you. Hi Michael, I think. Hey, could you before we get into our topics, could you just give us a brief overview of your thoughts about sex and gender since that book was out because a lot's happened in that space. Yeah, well I'm very happy to see that my work has been vindicated and all of those years it's been all a basically a decade of people calling me transphobic and horrible. Turns out I was right all along, so
That's a relief. But I mean I I really hope to see the r the rest of this ideology finally die uh the death it deserves because it's done. Huge amount of damage to Not just children who've been basically Brainwashed I think and
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