#64 - Trapped Data Creating Unicorns, Billionaire Punches Punk Kid & Missing Out on $5M

All right, everyone, we have Jordan Harbinger on, and I'm gonna tell you why. So we get a lot of uh a lot of people asking us questions on how to do different things that we talk about in the podcast. And that's great. Um and we do the same thing, Sean and I. Uh and one of the folks we turn to on a regular basis, I'm texting him all the time, is Jordan Harbinger. So Jordan um ha he's had podcasts for thirteen years now. He's been in the top one hundred for uh almost that entire time. And he's got a great pod called The Jordan Harbinger Show where he talks about social engineering. Uh in particular he teaches uh Navy SEALs how to do social engineering. He teaches intelligence agencies special operations. It's incredibly fascinating. He dives deep with his guests to learn how they think, why they think and It's really, really, really fascinating and it's something that I've been listening to for years. But he has one episode uh that's incredibly fascinating to me, and that's about the guy from Catch Me If You Can't.

Frank Abignale. Is that his name, Jordan? Yeah, Frank Abignell. He's a fascinating character. He came on the show and we h spent a long time talking about the psychology behind how he was able to trick so many people. So to refresh people's memory, he posed as an airline pilot, which is kinda terrifying, a doctor and an attorney. All of these are pretty specialized. You know, look, if you're just pretending to know how to stock shelves at a grocery store, like that is something where somebody who does that for a living could probably catch you, but then a normal person might not have any idea. Now, when you're pretending to be a doctor The stakes are pretty high, man. You know, l law kind of trickier to pass the bar exam, that kind of thing. So the airline pilot, of course, is the really takes the cake. He did this all in his twenties, and we spent a ton of time on the Jordan Harbinger show discussing and dissecting the concepts behind why people believed him. These same concepts work even now. He's told us that it's actually easier now for

fraud, scams, con men to operate than it was back then. Cause you'd think, oh now we have computers, we can verify everything. Back then they didn't have that. The communication took longer. Now though people trust the machines too much. So you can trick people and you can trick machines. Things just got even more complicated and he that's what he does now is teaches law enforcement, FBI, and citizens like you and I, how to avoid common scams and fraud. All of course while dissecting the psychology behind it. So I loved this episode. It was one of my favorites. I remember watching this movie years ago and then I immediately read the book. And I was fascinated. I'm a schemer and and I like building businesses and uh Just like s uh what I call scheming. I like doing things and whenever you see someone doing something like this, I mean they romanticized it and made it and made it sound like

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