#211 with Julian Shapiro - The 3 Cheat Codes Startups Use to Print Cash

If you can't make the economics of an ad channel exciting. Can you at least A not burn money? While B Building a huge lead database that that likes you because your free thing or your cheap thing. I feel like I can root

Well I know. I put my law in it like my days off On the roadless travel, never looking back I'm actually uh I'm surprised you haven't been on this before.

If you like I feel like you're made for this in a way. Maybe. I mean I was doing pods for a while. Like I was trying like purposely to get on podcasts.

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