#358 I had dinner with John Mackey, Founder of Whole Foods

To make this episode, I got to spend about seven hours with John Mackie over two days. And I read his great autobiography twice. And it was during one of our conversations that John told me One of the craziest things anyone has ever said about the podcast. He had listened to

Over a hundred episodes before we met. And he told me that if founders existed When he was younger Whole Foods would still be an independent company. That since the podcast and all of history's greatest entrepreneurs constantly emphasize

The importance of controlling expenses. he would have put more of a priority on it, especially during good times. During boom times. It's very natural for a company. And I think for humans in general, I think this is part of our nature.

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