412. Lawrence of Arabia: Guerrilla Warfare In The Arab Revolt (Part 2)

Hello and welcome to Empire with me, Anita Arnond. And me. William Durumple. And joining us for the next episode in this Lawrence of Arabia series, TE Lawrence, the real Lawrence we're trying to uncover. is another old friend of the show, Scott Anderson, who's been with us before Talking about the Shah? and what's going on in Iran today. But he is the author of a wonderful book that I think had three copies of, of which two are in this house and one is in Delhi.

Lawrence of Arabia, war, deceit, imperial folly. and the making of the Middle East. And there are several thousand books about Lawrence, which I've got a whole shelf or two behind me here. Matt's not even the kind of the ones that were just published in the last time. Scots is your favorite is what you're saying. Scots is my favorite. Okay, and I'm Anthony Sattins is also your favorite. Every guest on the show has written your favorite books. Um Scott, before we get into to the the the main meat of this episode I just want to know if if I were meeting Lawrence in Cairo.

In the summer of nineteen sixteen. What kind of man would I have been meeting? Quite an odd duck. Uh first of all, Lawrence was tiny. He was about five foot five on a good day. Untidy. He was kind of honorary captain of the Arab Bureau, which was kind of this what we call today a think tank in in Cairo. Kind of made a point of being Unkempt and it it often is uniform is a mess. Uh, and this was at a time when the British uniforms were not were very w you know, immaculate. He had piercing blue eyes, light blue eyes. Everybody commented who met Lawrence. That that that was one of the first things they noticed, uh was this these piercing blue eyes. Kind of a a a a larger head than fit his body.

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