Beyond the To-Do List - Productivity for Work and Life · 2026-08-06 · 52 min · 9,377 words

Burnout: Why Thought Load, Not Workload, Is Draining You with Liane Davey

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Welcome back to Beyond the To-do List, a podcast about productivity. I'm your host, Eric Fisher. Dr. Leanne Davy is an organizational psychologist with a gift for naming the thing everybody's feeling, but nobody's put a word to yet. She was on the show back in 2019 teaching us how to fight well at work, and she's back with a new book that renames the whole problem sitting underneath the fighting. Leanne, welcome back. Thanks for being here. I'm so excited for this conversation, Eric. Thanks for having me back. You're welcome. So

Here's what got me. This this whole show. In some ways to some people, six hundred plus episodes. It's basically one long argument. About the to-do list, manage it, shrink it, get it under control. I mean, it's much more than that, obviously, but Your book opens by saying we've been staring at the wrong number the entire time, and it's not the workload, it's the thought, the mental and emotional weight you're hauling around while you try to do the work. And

The timing is almost cruel because AI is finally here to shrink The doing Right as the thinking and the deciding go through the roof. And I wanna start right there on that wrong.

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