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The Tim Ferriss Show · 2026-09-18 · 132 min · 22,513 words

#883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough

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Hello boys and girls, ladies and germs, this is Tim Ferris and welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferris Show. My guest today is Tanya De Jung, co-founder of Mind Medicine Australia. She and her husband Peter did something amazing. They beat the odds and they came from the outside. to lead a push that in 2023 made Australia the first country in the world to allow MDMA and psilocybin to be prescribed for psychiatric conditions.

This was a huge moment. It took the whole world by surprise. And I wanted to understand how the hell did this happen? What did they do? What were the strategies?

Was there a blueprint? Was it luck? Was it methodical step after step after step? What did they do? Is there a blueprint?

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