The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order (with Prof Gary Gerstle)

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the radical sabbatical. I'm Kim Scott and with me today is the author of a book that really kind of changed my life. Welcome, Gary Garstel, the author of The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order. Thank you. It's good to be with you, Kim.

Thank you so much for being here. I want to tell you how much your book meant to me because and I'm going to give you kind of a weird set of metaphors, but there's a metaphor throughout literature that when when characters realize or people realize they've been doing something bad all along when they thought they were doing something good. They go blind before they can come to grips with it. So when Oedipus learned that he had murdered his father and married his mother, he gouged his eyes out. When Paul was on the road to Damascus to persecute um a minority, he uh was thinking he was doing a good law and order thing, but in fact he was not.

And he was surrounded by a blinding light. And then he realized, oh, he realized the error of his ways. So at the risk of being dramatic, reading your book was a moment for me like that. My whole career, I thought I was working towards these progressive goals, but it turned out I'm more like the forest gump of neoliberalism.

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