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The Gray Area with Sean Illing · 2026-07-10 · 45 min · 7,414 words

The “Godzilla El Niño” is coming

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This is a gray area. I'm Sean Illing. My guest today is David Wallace Wells, he's a writer. And a reporter for the New York Times and for my money one of the sharpest voices on the climate beat. David recently wrote a piece about a massive El Nino building in the Pacific.

one that could make twenty twenty seven. The hottest year on record by far, and maybe also give us a glimpse of everyday life in 2035 and beyond. So David and I try to think through what this El Nino might reveal about a climate future we are really already entering. And we talk about why these climate related disasters still seem to surprise us, and whether there is any kind of shock that could come that would really fundamentally change. Our politics.

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