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The Gray Area with Sean Illing · 2025-08-04 · 58 min · 8,479 words

It’s time to get weird

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Not long ago, I watched a talk by Douglas Rushkoff called Weirding the Digital. It was a eulogy for the early internet and the idea that it was going to make the world smarter, more open, more connected. I invited Douglas onto the show to chat about this talk. and about how the chaos of the early web was commodified and normified, that's the conversation I wanted to have. But what I got was so much more.

More expansive, more intense, more provocative. and more fun, really. I'm Sean Elling, and this is the gray area. Doug's a media theorist, author, and host of the excellent podcast Team Human. But more than that, he's a keen observer of the moment with a real gift for dissecting the systems that shape society.

It turns out his talk about weirding the digital wasn't just A eulogy. It was more like a call to arms. By weirding, he means rethink from top to bottom. And by the digital, he really means everything.

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