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In Good Company with Nicolai Tangen · 2026-09-23 · 50 min · 8,590 words

President Alexander Stubb: A Changing World Order, Democracies Facing AI, and Golfing with Trump

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Democracies have not been able to cope with social media and and with modern technology yet and and they're losing the struggle. We also see big tech companies in many ways being more powerful than states. So you can ask the question, you know, is anthropic or is uh Facebook more powerful than Norway and Finland? Hi everyone, I'm Nikola Tanyan, the CEO of the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund, and today I'm in really good company with Alexander Stub, the president of Finland. Finland has 5.5 million people, a 1,340 kilometer border with Russia, one of the happiest countries in the world nine years in a row.

It punches far above its weight, and so does President Stubb. When Europe needs a way through to the White House, Alexander is often the one who gets the call. Earlier this year, Alexander wrote a book about how the old world fell apart and who decides what comes next. I've really been looking forward to this. Alexander, be welcome.

Oh, nice to be with you, Nikolai. In short, um, what's the most important message in your book? The most important message is that the world order is changing, much like it changed in 1918, 1945 and 1989. And the ones that are going to decide what it looks like is going to be the global south and the choices between multilateral, norms-based institutional order and cooperation versus multipolar transactional chaos and conflict. Why is the South going to decide the future?

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