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The Dissenter · 2025-02-03 · 78 min · 13,822 words

#1054 Kathryn Nave - A Drive to Survive: The Free Energy Principle and the Meaning of Life

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Hello, everyone. Welcome to a new episode of The Decenter. I'm your host, as always, Ricardo Lopes, and today I'm joined by Dr. Catherine Nave. She is a Lover Home Trust Early Career Research Fellow at the University of Edinburgh. And today we're talking about her book, A Drive to Survive the Free Energy Principle. And the meaning of life. So, Doctor Nave, welcome to the show. It's a pleasure to everyone. Thank you for having me. It's nice to be here. So uh we're going to talk a lot about the free energy principle, but just before we get into that specific framework.

In the book you go through other sort of related approaches slash framework, so could you start uh could you start by telling us a little bit about an activism? What is an activism? Sure. Um so in activism I think the way it's sort of typically demarcated. Is As an approach that kind of stems out of a book writ

The Embodied Mind that was written in nineteen ninety one, um by Francisco Varella. Thompson, uh um Evan Thompson on the Rush. Um And the main kind of theme that comes out of that book is the idea that when we're trying to understand cognition, We shouldn't be presuming that the sort of purpose of cognition is something like

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