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Intelligence Squared · 2024-11-08 · 36 min · 6,012 words

John Gray on the US Election and a World After Liberalism, Part Two

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Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet. I'm producer Mia Sorrenti. For this episode, we're rejoining for part two of our conversation with the philosopher John Gray, discussing his book The New Leviathans: Thoughts After Liberalism. I'm speaking to you on November the 6th. Donald Trump has just been announced as the winner of the US presidential election. Yesterday evening, on the day of the election, John Gray, whose work often explores and critiques the notion of liberalism, joined us live on stage to reflect on the forces that have led us to this point. How can we understand these developments in the historical context? What would Hobbes make of our current predicament? And is hyper liberalism to blame for the perceived crisis in American democracy? Joining John Grey for this conversation is Helen Thompson, Professor of Political Economy at Cambridge University and author of Disorder Hard Times in the Twenty First Century. This recording is in three parts. If you haven't heard part one, do just jump back an episode and get up to speed. And Intelligence Square Premium subscribers can get our members only part three as well. Head to intelligence squared.com forward slash membership to find out more, or hit the IQ two extra button on Apple.

Now, let's rejoin our host, Helen Thompson, live on stage in conversation with John Grey. One of the things I think that's really interesting if we move on to American politics is is that if you'd said I think to somebody not least someone like Francis Fukiyama but not only Fukiyama in the nineties Th there would be these Deep contests about meaning. Something I think

Somewhat apocalyptic. About American politics. They would have said this is not in the script. But I think if you if you look at Go back to the two thousand and eight election and when the way in which Barack Obama ran for office. There was something quite messianic

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