Francis Fukuyama on the New World Order (Part Two)

Welcome to Intelligence Squared where great minds meet. I'm senior producer Mia Sorenti. In this episode we return for part two of our live event with political thinker and author Francis Fukiyama. Fukiyama joined us at Union Chapel in London to discuss the crisis facing liberal democracy and the changing world order. Drawing on his new political memoir in the realm of the Last Man, he explores the forces challenging liberal democracy and asks how the West can respond to an era of growing geopolitical instability, populism and authoritarianism.

Fukuyama was in conversation with Financial Times chief economics commentator Martin Wolfe. If you haven't heard part one yet, we recommend jumping back an episode to catch up. But now let's return to the conversation, live at Union Chapel. I think this is a fascinating thesis, um, deeply pessimistic. So let's go uh let's look at it.

I mean we don't have the uh several hours that we need to go through all of this, but at least a few minutes. Um uh obviously if you look at the the the the attempted empirical evaluations of the state of democracy. After 1989 there was an extraordinary rise in the number of democracies across the world and in the legitimacy of of democracy. We saw it of course in Central Eastern Europe, much of Africa, uh uh, South America.

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