Want to Close the Gender Gap? Start Here | Kweilin Ellingrud

Welcome to Behavioral Grooves, the podcast that explores our human condition. I'm Kurt Nelson. And I'm Tim Houlihan. We talk with researchers and authors to unlock the mysteries of how to find our groove. Now, you've probably heard about the glass ceiling, this idea that there is a leadership level that you can see, but you can't actually

You can't get there. And it's something that women and people of color have battled for many, many years, and it still exists, sadly. Now, in this episode, we're going to talk about a different concept, one that will talk about the challenges in career advancement, but it's not about the top end of the workplace hierarchy, it's about the bottom end. Yeah, we had the pleasure of speaking with Quelin Ellenrude. She's the co-author of a book called The Broken Rung, along with Lorena Yee and Maria Delmar Martinez.

Quelan serves as McKinsey's global chief of diversity and inclusion, and she brought incredible insights about women's career advancements and challenges to our conversation. Yeah, that's right, Tim. And rather than focusing on on the glass ceiling that we've all heard about for decades it seems, uh, Quylan and her co-authors highlight what is called the broken rung. And that's critical.

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