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The Next Big Idea · 2025-11-20 · 43 min · 7,315 words

Brené Brown on courageous leadership (from ReThinking with Adam Grant)

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I'm Rufus Griscomb and this is the next big idea. Today, Renee Brown on courageous leadership, executive presence, and the tush push. In a few hours, I'll be hopping on a Zoom call with Brene Brown and more than 150 Next Big Idea Club members to discuss Brene's new book, Strong Ground. We'll publish that conversation Tuesday.

Until then, we have something special for you. In preparation for my chat with Brene, I listened to her interview with my friend and Next Big Idea Club curator, Adam Grant, on his podcast, Rethinking. Honestly, it's the perfect warm-up. The two of them chat about leadership, vulnerability, and what Brene learned working with FBI hostage negotiators. It was smart, funny, and it'll get you ready for Tuesday's deep dive.

If you enjoyed their conversation, you can find lots more like it on Adam's podcast. Follow Rethinking with Adam Grant on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen. Hey everyone, it's Adam Grant. Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast with Ted on the science of what makes us tick. I'm an organizational psychologist, and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.

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