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The Michael Shermer Show · 2025-08-26 · 84 min · 15,132 words

Brainwashing, Mind Control, and Hyper-Persuasion

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You're listening to The Michael Shermer Show. All right, everybody, it's time for another episode of the Michael Shermer Show. I'm your host, as always, Michael Schirmer. My guest today is Rebecca Lamov, who is a historian of science at Harvard University. and has been a visiting scholar at the Max Planck Institute.

Her research explores data, technology, and the history of human and behavioral sciences. She's the author of Database of Dreams, The Lost Quest to Catalog Humanity, that is how scientists between 1942 and 1963 attempted to map the elusive and subjective parts of the human psyche v via once futuristic data storage techniques you can only imagine. That must have been like magnetic tapes or something. Exactly.

World is laboratory, experiments with mice, mazes, and men. I'll have to tell you about my experiences working for two years in a skinarian lab with pigeons and rats. And co-author of How Reason Almost Lost Its Mind, The Strange Career of Cold War. rationality, all of which I'm interested in. But our new book is The Instability of Truth, Brainwashing, Mind Control, and Hyper Persuasion.

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