A Former Spy Explains How AI is Changing Espionage

You're listening to The Michael Shermer Show. Hey everybody, it's uh Michael Shermer, it's time for another episode of the Michael Shermer Show. My guest today is Anthony Vinci, who served as the first chief technology officer at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, NGA. Earlier in his career, he served in Iraq, Africa, and Asia. After leaving the world of intelligence, Vinci became an executive at a private equity firm and CEO of an AI company.

He's an adjunct senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security, CNAS, and received his PhD in international relations from the London School of Economics. Here's the new book, The Fourth Intelligence Revolution, The Future of Espionage and the Battle to Save America. Anthony, nice to see you. Are you a spy? Or were you once a spy?

Or how would you describe yourself? Uh, thank you. And uh thanks for having me on. And in fact, I am or I was. It's a weird thing to say because when you go and become an intelligence officer, you are, you know, there's one rule of being an intelligence officer.

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