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The Michael Shermer Show · 2025-11-11 · 96 min · 16,882 words

Tribes, Teams, and Cults: How Groups Shape What We Believe

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You're listening to The Michael Shermer Show. Hey everybody, it's Michael Shermer. It's time for another episode of the Michael Shermer Show. My guest today is Dr. Colin Fisher.

He's an associate professor of organizations and innovation at the University College London School of Management. Once a professional jazz trumpet player, okay, this is going to be a cool conversation, Holland now researches the hidden processes of helping groups and teams in situations requiring creativity, improvisation, like jazz players, I guess, and complex decision making. He's written about group dynamics for both popular science and management audiences, and his work has been profiled in prominent media outlets such as the BBC, Forbes, NPR, and The Times. Originally from Redmond, Washington. He now lives in North London with his wife and two children.

And here's the new book, The Collective Edge, Unlocking the Secret Power of Groups. Check it out. It's a great read. Lots of fun. Colin, how's it going?

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