Huberman Lab · 2026-02-09 · 162 min · 27,391 words

How Genes Shape Your Risk Taking & Morals | Dr. Kathryn Paige Harden

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There is a reward that we can see in the brains of people when they see someone suffer, if that person is first portrayed as a wrongdoer. So ordinarily if you see someone be shocked, you have interior insula. It's like you're being shocked too. Unless that person is first portrayed as violating some moral or social norm, in which case dopamine, you get a reward out of seeing that person punished.

I think that it is a lust just as much as lust for substances or lust for sexual partners. It is a desire people want to see people punished. Welcome to the Huberman Lab podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life. I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology. at Stanford School of Medicine.

My guest today is Dr. Catherine Page Hardin. She is a psychologist and geneticist and a professor at the University of Texas Austin. Dr. Hardin is an expert in how our genes shape our life trajectory, especially how they interact with life events during our adolescence and how they impact our long-term mental and physical health.

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