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Huberman Lab · 2026-11-09 · 137 min · 24,357 words

Overcome Addictions & Obsessions of All Kinds | Dr. Anna Lembke

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In the severest cases of addiction, people are not actually addicted to that substance or that behavior. What they're addicted to is Control. Through my addictive behaviors, I can create this world within a world where my focus narrows, I everything else falls away, I've simplified things, I just have this one lever like a rat in a cage, and as long as I can press that lever, I know I can change the way that I feel.

Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life. I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. My guest today is Dr. Anna Lemke. Dr. Anna Lemke is the director of the Dual Diagnosis Addiction Clinic at Stanford University School of Medicine, and one of the world's leading experts in addiction, dopamine dynamics in the human brain, and how dopamine and other neurochemicals in the brain govern risk taking, reward, and healthy versus unhealthy pursuits. Today we discuss the latest science of addiction and dopamine dynamics, and what Dr. Lemke herself has observed clinically in terms of the different kinds of addictions out in the world and how people can successfully overcome each of them. We also discussed her new book Radical Surrender.

Which I can tell you because I've read it, is an absolutely fascinating and actionable exploration into how giving up our attempt to control certain things. actually allows our brain to access new strategies to overcome major challenges, including addiction, as well as codependency, and altogether live healthier, better lives. Most people are aware of what dopamine is and how it can work for better or for worse, as well as what addiction is and the various ways that people strive to overcome addiction. Dr. Analemke's perspective on these topics is uniquely different. actionable, and today you're going to learn about all of it.

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